July 4, 2009

Do you ever just get sick of the fluff?

Aren’t you sick of Christianese?

Don’t you cringe when people “talk the talk”?

Aren’t you fed up with church as usual?

What does it look like to really follow Christ? Really follow Him?

Did He really die so we could be comfortable?

Did He suffer so we could raise our kids in a nice, safe neighborhood?

Do we go to church to get our varied needs met, or do we go there to find Jesus?

Do we really believe that His church is the hope of the world? That He is freedom?

What does a “prayer of salvation” really accomplish?

Why is worship a list of songs?

What can I do to further the cause of Christ in my life, and in the community of believers with whom I live?

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5 thoughts on “July 4, 2009

  1. pochp says:

    You’re tired of religion Treyka.
    You’re now seeking spirituality so you’re on the right path. Cheers!

  2. mellyb says:

    yes. yes. yes. yes. different than this. no. no. no/yes. yes/yes. not much if not followed up with action. because we’re used to the “to do list” of worship, but not the life expression of it. lots of conversations to be had about that one…all of them really…but I like the way your thinking. I think God likes it, too!

  3. 1. Yes
    2. Yes
    3. Yes
    4. Yes
    5. It isn’t self feeding, it is sacrificial but not from a positional stand point but from a life stand point. It is knowing we are lost without Him so we follow knowing we need Him and He doesn’t need us. (There is more but don’t wanna eat up window)
    6. Not at all. Show me a comfortable servant of Christ in the bible. Modern day Christianity is to convenient and seeker friendly.
    7.No. Isaiah 53
    8. We should be going there to get filled up and sent out to continue ministering the Gospel of Christ. We should go there to find Him but leave there to share Him.

    I will answer the last 4 when i have a little more time. But this is good stuff Mrs. Frank really good stuff.

  4. Nikki says:

    Do you ever just get sick of the fluff?
    Yes, but babies fit in these soft places.

    Aren’t you sick of Christianese?
    If it isn’t sincere, yes.

    Don’t you cringe when people “talk the talk”?
    Only if they aren’t sincerely trying to walk the talk.

    Aren’t you fed up with church as usual?
    Not if the church is unusual.

    What does it look like to really follow Christ? Really follow Him?
    There is no one answer; it should be different for every follower.

    Did He really die so we could be comfortable?
    More important than our comfort is our conformation. More important than our happiness is our holiness. He didn’t die for our pleasure and He doesn’t live for our persecution.

    Did He suffer so we could raise our kids in a nice, safe neighborhood?
    Don’t get it twisted; we live in a fallen world. There are no “nice, safe” neighborhoods, only ones where the darkness isn’t as conspicuous.

    Do we go to church to get our varied needs met, or do we go there to find Jesus?
    Well, if we really meet Jesus when we go to church, inevitably our true needs will be met. (His words, not mine.)

    Do we really believe that His church is the hope of the world? That He is freedom?
    There is no hope for this world; it’s going to burn. Hope is in the church–the bride of Christ who’ll be received into His kingdom.

    What does a “prayer of salvation” really accomplish?
    Your spirit is reconciled to God’s. And, if the relationship is pursued thereafter, who you are will become more like He is.

    Why is worship a list of songs?
    You know better.

    What can I do to further the cause of Christ in my life, and in the community of believers with whom I live?
    Pray without ceasing, obey the Holy Spirit’s promptings, say what you mean and mean what you say, guard your heart against cynicism, and keep challenging yourself to be more like Him and less like you.

    I tried to answer with as little fluff as possible. 🙂

  5. Hubby says:

    I can be a bit of an optimist but I hope you still love me 🙂

    Do you ever just get sick of the fluff? Not really as it beats staring down the barrell of my own gun, been there done that…

    Aren’t you sick of Christianese? After 9 years of salvation it has gotten old at times but then I just laugh about how excited I was when I learned it. Kind of helped me identify during the OVERzealous years

    Don’t you cringe when people “talk the talk”? Have to echo wifey here, only when they dont walk the talk.

    Aren’t you fed up with church as usual? No. But then again I did the club as usual thing for about 5 years before it became old.

    What does it look like to really follow Christ? Really follow Him? I think its using the direction given from the personal relationship you have with God, founded on His word, to drag as many souls as possible into Kingdom of Heaven

    Did He really die so we could be comfortable?
    Assuming Hell is uncomfortable… I think the ultimate answer here is yes. Did he die to fulfill our gluttoness and lustful desires, probably not. But I do believe there is a level of comfort in relationship with God. Not always comfortable, but that whole still waters and green pastures is nice… when we dont blow it :p

    Did He suffer so we could raise our kids in a nice, safe neighborhood? Not specifically but if Godly seed is His reason for marriage protection of the seed is in His will. Again, that doesnt mean a 300K house or negate the projects. Rich kids have guns and drugs too. Ultimately the safest place is in God’s will wherever that may be (uh oh, was that Christianese? Sorry 🙂 )

    Do we go to church to get our varied needs met, or do we go there to find Jesus? Hmm, I “found” Jesus after removing aforementioned Bersa 380 from my mouth and throwing half a bottle of Steel Reserve 211 out the car. I went to Church cuz He told me to… come to think of it, I still go to Church cuz he told me to. Not that I dont enjoy it, but thats a perk, not a requirement.

    Do we really believe that His church is the hope of the world? That He is freedom? 1Tim6:17&18 tell us that God is ultimately our hope. Now I believe that we have to walk this out but just like He didnt let salvation rest in our hands because we’d mess it up the only choice we have is whether or not we are going to be a part of how He gets this done. It will get done.

    What does a “prayer of salvation” really accomplish?
    It accomplishes the first half of Romans 10:9 and is explained in the second half of Romans 10:10 but far too often we forget the second half of Romans 10:9 which is just as important 😦

    Why is worship a list of songs? A better question might be, “Why is a list of songs called Worship?”

    What can I do to further the cause of Christ in my life, and in the community of believers with whom I live? I think we all have to get off the bench and get in the game every opportunity we can. As my lovely wife likes to quote, “if we see a need, fill a need” – BigWelD Robots the movie

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